I did not
discuss about how to rank the various stocks in the portfolio. I will discuss
the business aspect of the ranking in a future post. Let me share some thoughts
on how to consider valuation when doing this exercise.
A 2X in 3
yearsAs the title suggests, I have now started asking a question for each position (at the time of quarterly and annual results) – Does this position have the potential to double in 3 years ?
Note the use
of the word - potential. One can never
be sure if the stock would double.
How does one
look at the potential ? There are two variable driving the stock price –
earnings growth and valuation. Lets say the stock is selling at intrinsic value
and the earnings are growing at around 24% per annum. At the risk of over
simplifying (and not stating some additional factors), we can expect the stock
to increase at roughly the same rate and thus double in 2 years.
If however the
stock is selling below fair value, then we may get an additional bump from an
increase in the PE ratio. However I would prefer to place a higher wieghtage on
the earnings growth than the valuation – which depends more on the whims of the
market.
Not a
scientific exerciseOne can easily find a lot of flaws in the above thought process. You can argue that, no one knows the market situation three years from now. In addition, the company performance may turn out to be much lower than expected, thus negating the entire exercise.
All the above
points are true and I could add more. However the point of the entire exercise
is to look at the potential of each stock (atleast annually) and assess its
attractiveness based on new information. It is easy to fall in love with a
position (especially in my case) and hang on to an old thesis, whereas the
world around the company has changed completely.
What do to
with such casesLets say you identify a stock where the potential return is unlikely to be 2X in 3 years. What now ? do you sell and buy another stock ? What if you don’t have another idea ?
Lets bring in
the concept of opportunity cost. Lets say you dont have a better idea. Then the
alternative is to sell and invest it in a fixed income instrument. Is the
opportunity cost around 9% then? .
I don’t think
so. I would say the opportunity cost is the average returns you have made over
the long term. Lets assume that your portfolio has returned 15% per annum on average in the last 10 years.
I would say that this is your opportunity cost and the existing position has to
be above this threshold to remain in the portfolio
Why is this
your opportunity cost ? The reason is simple – you have been able to make this
return in the past on average and if you sell the existing position and hold
cash, something will surely come up in time to deliver this kind of return. You
may not make this return the next month or next quarter, but can expect to make
it over the next few years.
So the
question to ask is – does this position meet my opportunity cost threshold? If yes,
hold on to it till you can find a better idea – preferably a 2X or 3X in the
next few years.---------------
Stocks discussed in this post are for educational purpose only and not recommendations to buy or sell. Please contact a certified investment adviser for your investment decisions. Please read disclaimer towards the end of blog.
Hi Rohit
ReplyDeleteThis Darwinian approach to portfolio construction seems to be an interesting one. Atleast one will make a genuine effort to critically evaluate his stock holdings.
Hi Rohit,
ReplyDeleteI would not agree with you on HDFC bank,whatever little knowledge i have on the industry i would say they blew it,the pressure to deliver 30% year on year has wrecked them
Regards
Anurag
Hi stable investor
ReplyDeletethe entire idea to prevent the confirmation bias and endowment bais in the portfolio
regards
rohit
Hi anurag
ReplyDeleteI have made no mention of HDFC bank in the post ..not able to understand the context of your comment
besides that, why do you think HDFC bank blew it ?
rgds
rohit
Loved the title of this post, sweet returns..:-)
ReplyDeleteMy expectation of this decade was to multiply my money in 3 years..worst case 5. Now it is 2..worst case 3...which is going back to the Real Estate scenario of early 2000.
Glad that we're on the same page :-)
Vikas
Hi Rohit,
ReplyDeleteYou are only talking about growth investing. What about dividend investing and cyclicals ?
Don't you have them in your portfolio ?
Contructing a porfolio based on only growth stocks is a risky idea during down turn ?
What say!
Regards
Balaji
vikas - you have high expectations :) for me 2X in 3 yrs is just to filter ideas ..whether it happens remains to be seen
ReplyDeletergds
rohit
balaji
ReplyDeletegrowth, cyclical etc are all labels which tend to confuse.
the logic is simple - at the current price what are your expected returns ? 1 yr , 3 yrs 5, 5 yrs - depending on your time horizon
in cyclical stocks it will come from valuation change and normalization of earnings, in growth from secular growth of earnings
anyway I don't care for such labels much ..for me its a question of looking at the company and trying to figure how cheap it is and what the returns could which anyway is just a guess - but atleast it forces me to think
rgds
rohit
Hi Rohit,
ReplyDeleteWhen you say opportunity cost is avg portfolio return in last few yrs or in the long term, do you mean that if the weakest idea cant meet this threshold then you would sell this stock and invest in other better ideas within the portfolio to maintain the long term avg portfolio return?
Regards,
Raj
Hi Rohit,
ReplyDeleteDo not have any tweeter handle nor is tech savvy so i replied to your twitter post on the blog response page.
GDP is relentlessly falling but banks shows more than 25% growth with asset quality intact.kuch hazam nahi hua,or may be i need hazmola:)).
What are banks? borrowing from peter to lend paul...and the backbone is 'feet on streets'....and they have terrorise their ground forces to such extent that most of them have left.
I invest in cos by interacting with lower end staff.
Sorry if my previous comment was blunt
Regards
Anurag
Hi raj
ReplyDeleteit is generally not as clear cut, but yes if the stock is going to return less than 15% per annum, I start reducing the position size .
again this estimation is subjective
rgds
rohit
hi anurag
ReplyDeletemy twitter handle is @rohitchauhan.
yes some banks are showing 25% growth ..who knows what they are doing. I am wary of such growth and staying away from them. more power to people who can understand these companies
on the other comment - I think you are mixing things. which company is nice and sweet with their employees ? I personally don't mix these things with my investing
unless the company is doing illegal things with their employees I don't want to pass a judgement.
I am an employee too ..so if I don't like my working condition, is the company forcing me to stay there ?
anyway I digress. personally I don't look at these factors ..but it is upto each individual to decide
Hi Rohit, I appreciate ur awesome work of sharing ur experience with all and at the same time trying to teach something out of it.
ReplyDeleteI had a doubt abt how do one value commodity/cyclical stocks. One can value the company it after normalizing the earnings but I hav observed tht when the trajectory of the margins are downwards or abt to, the stock under-performs dramatically in future, off the valuation predicted using normalized earnings. Recent example are tyres sector for past few yrs and sudden spur to fair valuation.
Do u hav a way to predict the margin rise, as even the stock/sector analyst are often caught off-guard with the sector reversal, thereby overestimating future on good recent past & underestimating future for the bad past.
Thanks
Shashank